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The Let's Kill Some Gays Constitutional AmmendmentCalifornia is stereotyped as the archetypal liberal bastion, and home of homosexuality. Well, considering the republican party has been in the super-minority (not just minority... they don't even have enough numbers to obstruct) for a few election cycles now, that's probably a pretty accurate description. Nevertheless, people often forget that there are pockets of uber-conservatism in California (it's a huge frickin' state). One of the local CRISIS cell members recently proved that (thanks to lisa-im-laerm for the acronym for ChRIstian State of Idaho and the South!).The Let's Kill Some Gays Constitutional Ammendment by PyrrhusiVictoria
California, like several other states, has a citizen initiative process - basically, a way of allowing amendments to the state constitution to come directly from citizen proposals, rather than just through the state legislature. Citizen initiative organizers must draft a proposal, pay a $200 processing fee, and then accumulate 365,000 signatures. If they succeed in that, the proposal appears
DiscoveryListened to a great story today. It was about Christof Koch, a Catholic-raised scientist, struggling with his religious beliefs while working the late great Francis Crick. In his own words, he recounts his difficulties reconciling his spiritual church beliefs (or his Sunday beliefs, as he called them) with his scientific work (the rest-of-the-week beliefs). And he also talks fondly of his mentor, Francis Crick, a titan of intellect with heroic courage, especially during his last days fighting cancer. What gripped Christof was how Crick never let his fear of death and the unknown interfere with his reason as scientist, and his amazing ability to come to grips with the inevitable without the need for the supernatural. Or, as Christof put it, "It's like leaving forever the comfort of your childhood home, suffused with the warm glows and fond memories. But I do believe we all have to grow up. It's difficult for many; it's unbearable to the few, but we have to see the world aDiscovery by PyrrhusiVictoria
A less significant second de-conversion storyNot every ex-christian can claim to have two de-conversion stories, but after recent events, it does appear that I do. I already talked about how I left the AoG church and the sort of brainwashing they did with me, but I haven't talked much about my experiences in the Mormon church, since I suppose I didn't feel it was that much of an important impact on my life. Alas, after recent events that does appear to be the case.A less significant second de-conversion story by MauEvig
Now I will state that I myself have no ill will against Mormons, members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day saints or anything like that. I may have friends on here who are Mormons, and that's perfectly fine. I respect your beliefs, just as I will respect any Christian's, Satanist's, Jewish, Islamic, Hindu, Buddhist, and of course Atheist's beliefs. I just want to make that clear because a lot of Members of the Church have an idea that we're out to get them or whatever. This is not the case.
During a time when I was going in and out of Faith, I'd suffered a br
'Hopefully one day you snap out of this phase'?!Sometimes I get the argument, "Hopefully you will grow out of this phase and if you wanted to actually help this world you wouldn't do it by attaching to a dead backwards movement."'Hopefully one day you snap out of this phase'?! by ComradeSch
Well, let's go back into MY childhood, as these reactionary puppets would think I've done.
-When I was three years old, I distinctly remember hearing about the core of the Earth being hot, and commenting, "So that's where Hell is?"
Yes, I was raised Seventh-Day Adventist. I became an atheist over time, and the initial exposure to atheism came from my father, when I was nine.
-I also distinctly remember thinking that Heaven in the clouds, too high for humans to find.
When I was nine, I took a flight from my island to Ft. St. John. And that showed me the upside of the clouds. I didn't see angels and shit there!
-I also remember distinctly saying that dictatorship would be a good option compared with the current system when I was ten. I REMEMBER BEING A FAR-RIGHTIST. What was my rationale for
Alienation From Family My mother has become more religious as I have become less. She is aware of this and this has led to a growing divide between us. In several of our discussions she has stated that she wishes I wasn't so smart. This from a woman who encouraged me to read and assured me that studying and learning would lead to success and happiness in life. Needless to say it was a slap to the face to me. Perhaps the worst thing is that we have grown so far apart that she didn't even realize how what she said would affect me. Have any of you had similar experiences? Your experiences need not be about growing religious differences. Did differing political beliefs alienate you from members of your family? The lifestyle you have chosen to live?Alienation From Family by OpinionsProfile
Dear Creationist...This is a small portion of a discussion I had with a Creationist. A person who believes the universe was created somewhere between 6, and 12 thousand years ago. And are often fanatically devoted to their chosen holy book. This is not meant to 'offend all religious people'... just the ones who are d**ks about it.Dear Creationist... by JaliosWilinghart
This is my closing statement, that ended the debate:
"You know we have a speed of light right? Good, so, we have something called 'Light years'. What that means is that one light year, is the distance it would take for light to travel after a year.
You say that our universe if only a couple of thousand years old, no? Right. So... what do you say when we can measure stars and galaxies that are so far away, that it would take over 3 billion years for that light to reach us? And some even 6, 9, and 13.
That has two possibilities. That A, that a timeless, formless, matter less, creator, aka, god, deliberately
Links/Commentary - SCA Morning Read - April Week 2(For more on the SCA and news of a secular concern, go here - SCA Morning Read Archives)Links/Commentary - SCA Morning Read - April Week 2 by CorSecAgent
Big protest coming up on the 25th. The Iowa Faith & 'Freedom' Coalition is having a rally at some church west of here. I'm a bit excited because one of my protest sign mock-ups got made into actual signs by a fellow heathen and will be seen by the masses -
Speaking of protests, this particular story made waves recently -
Christian lawmakers boycott Wiccan Prayer at Iowa State House
It's one thing to step out or refrain from participation when you don't agree with some ritual being performed, but it's another thing entirely to put your bigotry out in front when everyone can smell the stenc
Dishonest motives: when believers want to fix youCaptain Cassidy has been writing a series on Excommunications about compromise. The entire thing is splendid, and I highly recommend it (or any of her other posts, for that matter). In a recent post, she defined compromise as “coming to an awareness of what our real goals are and then finding different ways of reaching those goals if necessary so we can have peaceful relationships with others.” This is an excellent definition, and it exposes one of the greatest challenges to meaningful compromise: people must be honest about their goals and motives.Dishonest motives: when believers want to fix you by EternalGeekExposed
I have a lot of experience with believers attempting to convert me back to their religion and sexual/gender ethics. Here’s the thing: people who think that they are going to lead you on a long, twisted, and heroic journey to redemption are some of the most dishonest people about their motives. It gets easier to spot once you’re savvy to the game, but if you’re still in the disorienting realm betwee